Facebook Debate: What do Rapists deserve?

India Plans to Shame Rapists, Even as Its Cops Shame Rape Victims to Suicide

S: Bastards should be strung up and hung on the streets so every one can see.

M: Sigh. Fortunately or unfortunately, we must advance and not regress, even when it comes to punishment… Still, sometimes I wonder. Anyway, you can’t hang mentalities. Especially not nation-wide mentalities..

S:  I think it will be progress if we can reduce the number of rapes…. ergo…castration and public lynching

M: *grins* Then, I guess rapists should be glad you’re not standing for office. …But, seriously, the way to reduce these crimes is not through fear; that’ll only make misogyny levels rise. What we need is education at a primary level that imparts more moral and sexual education than “boys and girls should not sit together” in class.

S: thats cool and all but as long as these assholes get away with light sentences there is no hope, imagine one of those delhi fuckers is gonna be out of jail in less than a year just cause he is a couple of months shy of his 18th birthday. and yes i wish i could get elected to some sort of office where i get to lay some HOSTEL type torture on them rapists

M: The law is (supposed to be) the codification of the most logical and rational principles of human behavior; It cannot successfully fix problems that arise at a societal level, but only rein them in while society does the rest. We are society. If India doesn’t come up with a solution, and fast, it’s only a matter of time before Vigilante justice takes over.. And, as bad as that might be, can you blame me if I think it might actually do some good? We have an unarmed citizenry constantly brutalized by armed criminal miscreants and apathetic State machinery. At least the Vigilantes will be of the people, by the people, for the people.

S: yuh The Revolution is coming !!!!! and screw our outdated legal system which was meant for a different time , which is the main reason why i didnt go ahead and practice

M: The Revolution is here!  (And, yes, the legal system is damn fucked up.. But, ignoring it isn’t going to make it any better! -_-)

S: and this is no democracy where the 5-0 (popo) is happily off committing rapes and our political figures are all criminals themselves making chauvinist remarks on national tV

M: Exactly why I said that it’s a deep rooted mentality that we’re dealing with rather than just a few anti-social elements! The rapists *are* the social elements of the day! And, the only thing that can fix that is education. For starters, I think we need to stop some corruption so that we can use that money to increase pay-scales of teachers and police officers. That’s the only way that these two forces will adequately represent the interests of all facets of society, and not just of the rich and powerful who can not only buy them, but sexually assault their daughters, and shoot them dead if they dare raise their own voices.

S: ONE DAY, ONE fucking DAY everyone will get whats coming to them

M: 😦 I hope so, S-san. I truly do…

Delhi victim should have meekly submitted to gang rape: Woman scientist

Link to News Report: Here

I was actually expecting her to have said something along the lines of how human life is too precious to be lost while protecting one’s dignity, or something even remotely graceful, but instead, this is what she has to say:

why was the victim out of her house after 10 pm” and “if a girl will wander late at night with her boyfriend; such situations are bound to happen.

Such situations are bound to happen? Such situations are bound to fucking happen?! What hope does our country have when educated women themselves are stuck in mindsets that seem to be unable to comprehend that we live in a lawful society, let alone expect that the law actually be enforced? What the hell is the point of being a citizen of a country that is supposed to have a civilized society, madam?

Jesus Christ.

Why should she have been a bit careful? Are we not living in such a so-called “civilized society”? Was she not a human being, with all the rights guaranteed to her under the constitution, including especially the right to life, which those sick individuals had NO right to violate, regardless of where she was, who she was with, or what time it was?

This is the problem with our country. And this is very the definition of VICTIM BLAMING, brothers and sisters. Why was she out so late? Who was she with? What was she doing? What was she wearing? Who the hell cares? Even if she was running around on the streets naked, she is still NOT asking to be raped. In fact, if you or I are to walk around in bikinis on the road, and someone whistles at us, it is still HARASSMENT.

Why don’t you ask “Why did those men rape her?” Or why is Delhi “a city like Delhi” in the first place? I’ll tell you why! It’s because all the people “hide” their women in their houses, as if they were precious objects that could get snatched and violated and “destroyed”. If you’re a boy, you can do as you please, but if you are a girl, what business do you have going anywhere from school/college? What kind of women do that?

Well, what kind of life is this, I ask? I want to step out at any time I please. I want to wear whatever makes me feel good. I want to LIVE my life. I don’t want to hide from sick, perverted creeps that are supposed to be kept off our streets!

There’s this thing called the social contract. It says that at the time of forming governments, it is as if the individuals give up some of their basic rights such as the pre-emptive right to protect their own lives, or seek justice for wrongs done to them, and hand over these rights to the government, who then swears to undertake the duty of protecting them. It’s a freaking contract. It’s their DUTY to protect every citizen. So, why should she have been more careful? How much more effing careful?! First midnight is too late, then 11, now it’s 9:30. When does this psychotic behavior end?? And, when will you all see that the answer doesn’t lie in hiding; the answer lies in occupying the streets! The streets of Delhi will only be safer when it’s full of free confident, sexy women, and non-sexually-starved young men; not when we promote and encourage criminals by telling girls that they “should be a bit careful” if they don’t want to “get raped”. Get raped. Like it’s some sort of disease you can avoid by “taking care”.

No. I refuse. What is unsafe about entering a bus at 09:30 pm at night? What is careless about it?! The problem with placing any amount of responsibility on the victims/survivors is that it is a very slippery slope. Today, you say that women must be escorted at night for their own safety, tomorrow you regulate their working hours to day-times, and the day after you suggest that they be married off at 16 to prevent them from being raped. 

The answer lies in dispelling these notions, and the only way that can be done is by STRONGLY and clearly always expressing the clearest intolerance for the perpetrators of such crime and placing ZERO responsibility or duty on the victim. 

There is nothing about our society that excuses such criminal behavior. If we can’t handle it, then we should stop claiming to be a blooming fucking super-power and admit that we’re a bunch of barbarians. If we’re going to pretend otherwise, and have fancy hotels, and tons of billionaires, and a thriving film industry, the least we can do is EXPECT some lawfulness in our country. Don’t you think?

The Rage MUST be Relentless. And we must not forget that our sister in Singapore is only one amongst the hundreds who are brutally abused on a daily basis. For all of them, and the ones who might be spared such a fate, we have to present a strong united front, where the only guilty ones are the ones who commit the crimes, and it is them alone who are responsible!

I believe that every time one of us says that “Well, it is very bad what happened to her, but she should have been a bit more careful”, we’re directly encouraging every potential and existing rapist out there. These people feel safe enough to commit their crimes, because they know that at least some of the responsibility is transferable. And, I am asking you to help us change that notion.

Challenge every misogynist statement you hear. Convince your near and dear ones, and those not so near or dear, about where the responsibility for every crime lies. Argue for your right to go out at night, but don’t forget to arm yourself. And, remember, the only thing that can save this country is its own enlightenment. It has to start now.

No one is meekly submitting to anything!